Phil Weeden, Classics World: Driving on Dad's lap and how the seatbelt law saved Dad's life. S5E7

In the second of our full length live podcasts recorded at the NEC Classic Car Show we were joined by Phil Weeden, the MD of Kelsey Media and Classics World.

We have a great chat about his earliest car memories, what got him into the industry, his time editing Car Mechanics magazine, before taking the helm in charge of all Motoring titles at Kelsey Media.

From his first memory sat on his father’s lap, driving his Talbot (not Chrysler) Avenger around a car park, whilst waiting to pick his Nan up from work to a Ford Escort (with roof rack) which his Father could have died in…Having had a crash just 3 weeks after the seat belt laws came into place… and the seatbelt undoubtedly saved his life.

We hope you enjoy this one as much as we did making it.
Our thanks to Phil for his time.
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Transcript

>> Andy: 0:00

Roll up, roll up, roll up. It's my dad's car. Come along ladies and gentlemen, take a seat. If you like automotive nostalgia, ladies and gentlemen, we're talking about cars that we remember from when we were little. What was your eart car memory? What do you remember? Your mums and your dad's driving. That's what we're talking about. Here we go. Here's the intro that we play for each of our episodes. the voice is my ah, six year old daughter and yeah, enjoy. Welcome to My dad's Car. Enjoy. Welcome to My Dad's Car. A podcast discussing our personal relationship with automated nostalgia. And you know what? It doesn't even have to be about your dad's car. It can be your m. Mums, your. Grand, your parents, guardians or even a neighbourss if it made an impression. Let's talk about it. Good morning ladies and gentlemen of the NEC Classic Motor Show.

>> Phil Whedon: 1:02

Good morning John.

>> Jon: 1:03

Good morning Andrew.

>> Andy: 1:05

And we'joined by Phil Whedon from Kelsey Media, Kelsey Publishing.

>> Phil Whedon: 1:09

Kelsey Media is the now the PC phrase because it's not just publishing darlings, its events and websites and YouTube channels now. But yes, wonderful.

>> Andy: 1:17

Thank you very much madam. Take a seat. By all means gentlemen, plenty of room for you. yes, today we are going to be talking about earliest car memories for those who haven't listened to podcast. That's the premise really. It's not just about father's cars, it's about mu's cars. Grandparents, teachers, neighbours, that sort of thing. It's not a dead dad podcast, but quite often we have, yeah, dead dads mentioned. So yeah, let's, let's jump in. Phil, do you want to tell us. A little bit about the day job, what you get up to and then we'll, we'll ask you the big question.

>> Phil Whedon: 1:48

Okay, yes, thank you. Well, thanks for having me on. so I I'm the managing director at Kelsey Media, looking after the motoring group which is a dozen or so magazines, eight car shows, a couple of websites, a couple of YouTube channels, few bits and pieces. so we keep busy and yes, I've been doing this for 26 years now and have always loved cars. So it was quite nice to get into a day job that also fueled the hobby or the passion if you like. So yeah, that was good.

>> Andy: 2:14

I.

>> Phil Whedon: 2:14

Nice.

>> Andy: 2:14

And how's the weekend been for you?

>> Phil Whedon: 2:16

It's been great actually. I always loved this show to be honest. I've been doing it for 20 plus years, so probably half the time it's existed. Right. And it's, it's at the right time of the year, everyone can sort of get together and celebrate everything that's great about the classic car community before we all put the covers over for Windsor and go and have a nice Christmas hopefully. And they will do it all over again from the spring, don't we?

>> Andy: 2:37

Exactly, yeah. Right, well, we'll jump straight in. we normally ask this question, first off, what's your earliest calm memory?

>> Phil Whedon: 2:43

I don't know if it's my earliest, but certainly one of my most distinctive. Sitting on my father's lap driving his 1979 Talbot Avenger. Had Chrysler badges but it was a talrbot on the bonnet because it was all that kind of Chrysler sell offff and Peugeot ownership thing. So it was a Talbot Avenger BFC184V. Remember it well, A white estate car with really garish roof rack on it because he worked in a security company. Okay. Used to let me sit on the lap. You do the pedals obviously and I do the steering just round a car park while we were picking up my nan from work. So that's a memory.

>> Andy: 3:16

Fantastic. What so age do you reckon you are? Four, something like that?

>> Phil Whedon: 3:20

Four or five? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Andy: 3:22

And what came after the Hillman Avenger?

>> Phil Whedon: 3:24

They went to fors actually after that. O Mark 3 Escort Estate replaced the Avenger which he rolled catastrophically in a overnight crash. Someone t boned him and the car rolled and it happened two weeks after the seatbelt law came in in 1983. Wow. And he never wore a seatbelt before then and he's m convinced that saved his life but not wearing the seat belt. Well, wearing the seatbet saved his life because there's no doubt he had been thrown in like a rag dol because the car rolled three times and that distinctive roof rack that was on the top of that Escort probably stopped the Escort caving in at the time. So they went to Escorts after that. It got promoted and got slightly posher fors after that and, and Orion and then a Sierra. So yeah, there was always a nice company car on the drive which I always cleaned. Every Sunday I cleaned it for him and I got really upset if it came back on the Monday dirty. So or on itso I probably took more on its roof. I probably took more care of his car than he did, put it that way. But

>> Andy: 4:18

So the Avenger and the Escort, they were company cars, are they?

>> Phil Whedon: 4:20

They were company cars. My only learned to drive after my brother was Born. So she learnedt to drive quite late. So we ended up with a really kind of slightly rough second car, which I think her first car was a Mark 1 escort. It was dreadful. It was a really bad condition one and in fact it got st good by today's standards. It was. It's probably. Yeah, it would be worth a fortune now, even in that condition. But it got stolen, actually, in Sigup in Kent.

>> Andy: 4:44

Dodgy place.

>> Phil Whedon: 4:45

Yeah, exactly right.

>> Andy: 4:47

And, for the benefit of the tape, I live in SIDC Cup. There we go.

>> Phil Whedon: 4:50

My uncle still does. So nothing wrong with Sid cup, by the way. It's a lovely place. Anyway, so he got stolen and she WRG the police and gave the reg number and about four hours later suddenly thought, actually, I think I might have given them the wrong reg number. So rung up the police and said, I think I gave you the wrong registration number. She goes, you absolutely did, Madam M. Because we've just pulled over some distressed old man in the Mark one Cortina. so they were really quite upset. Anyway, they actually did find the car, believe it or not. Clearly whoever stole it thought, this is not worth keeping. So they just left it abandoned somewhere. But, yeah, I remember that. And then she went on to a Marki Ford Escort. Yeah, it was a 1.1 popular, so vinyl seats, no headrests, not even a clock or anything decadent like that. And, I let off an electrical fire, fire extinguisher inside it. White powder everywhere. Looked like a Hollywood day Listers party in there. It was not pretty. So, that was good fun. And then she had a Renault 12 which is a bit of a break from the norm, which I think we bought from a friend who loved his Renaults. He'bought a Renault 18 and we bought his Renault 12 off of him. But I remember really liking that because it felt like quite likeurs reclining seats and things, which never was never a thing.

>> Andy: 5:58

No.

>> Phil Whedon: 5:59

And it had a cigarette lighter. Who knew? Right? I burnt my finger on it, I pushed it in, thought, this is interesting. What's that glowing red thing? And if I put my finger on it, what does that do?

>> Andy: 6:08

I think we've all done that.

>> Phil Whedon: 6:09

Yeah, it hurts is the answer. But, anyway, yeah, that was good fun. So, yeah, lots of really ragged old second cars that we didn't do much in. I think we broke down on the way to Butlins in Bogna Regis in the Renault 12, a clogged fuel philtre.

>> Andy: 6:22

Bog Regis, where I used to live before. Sit cut. So it's Just like a walk down memory.

>> Phil Whedon: 6:26

I'm actually not stalking you I could assure.

>> Andy: 6:29

Very strange. Where am I going nexte? Ok, yeah that's property cheap.

>> Phil Whedon: 6:32

That's exactly like a monopoly board for.

>> Andy: 6:34

You and me, isn't it?

>> Phil Whedon: 6:35

This is it, yeah. So yeah, Renault 12 was that and then, gosh, I think we just, we kept that for a while actually and we were going to buy a Renault 5 after that and for some reason that fell through. I think we got rejected for the finance. Ok. We didn't have the money for it so we then finally stepped up and bought a Mark 4 Escort 1.4 LX from a dealer, brand new.

>> Andy: 6:55

Oh nice.

>> Phil Whedon: 6:55

In February 1988 when Halilwood was on strike I think. So they only had two escorts left to sell in the whole county or something. Strata Silver there was a marine blue one which we could have had but we preferred the silver. That was our first door, four door, five door estate as well. No, no that was a hatch. Five door hatch and that became my first car.

>> Andy: 7:16

Okay.

>> Phil Whedon: 7:17

So that was quite cool. I loved it. I think it was brilliant. Burnt the valve stems out many times on that one.

>> Andy: 7:22

Did you pick that one up on the day? Did you get involved with the picking your car up the first?

>> Phil Whedon: 7:26

September it was in February but it was the whole hooppl la flowers from a mum and all that kind of stuff. Okay, it was great. That was a dealer in Dartford which I think I can't remember they were called now. Anyway yeah, so that was good. Did you go to Dartford?

>> Andy: 7:39

No, few ballet classes for the kids there on and off. Mick Jagger centre.

>> Phil Whedon: 7:44

Yeah, yeah well I went to school at Dartfford Gramr so there we go.

>> Andy: 7:46

So very strange.

>> Phil Whedon: 7:47

There we go. Small world.

>> Andy: 7:48

Family memory. This is.

>> Phil Whedon: 7:53

Not very well I suspect.

>> Andy: 7:55

Was there any deviation from Ford'then from your dad?

>> Phil Whedon: 7:58

There was a brief period when the company worked for, got took over and they went Peugeot and he got a 405 GL 1.9 diesel. The good diesel and That was good fun. That was a good car. That felt quite posh actually. But Yeah, no it fluctuates me Fords and French stuff so we had the Persia. I know that wast right and technically and when my brother took on my mum's Ford Oryan we bought her a Renault 21. That was a dog of a car. It never ran Right. I don't know why it's actually again like a lot of Renaults at that time probably still now they were quite nice insideight Quite comfortable M was any.

>> Andy: 8:31

Reason for the sort of going for the Renault on occasion?

>> Phil Whedon: 8:34

I don't know. I think I've always felt that a lot of French cars, probably more Renaults always felt like they were quite good bang for buck like you'd get a newer better car than the equivalent BMW or even a fer of VXall you'd get a better spec car.

>> Andy: 8:49

They were probably the Hyundai, the K of like the 70s 8.

>> Phil Whedon: 8:52

Yeah, I get that and even now I've had the soft spot for. We bought a Renault 21 symphony as a project car.

>> Andy: 8:59

Well what a model name?

>> Phil Whedon: 9:00

yeah so that was quite nice actually. But I would like Renaults ever since then actually. But I guess that's the premise of the podcast. These early memories sort of crystallise and that's what steers your later influences. Right?

>> Andy: 9:12

Yeah. What gets you into it. Any music in the cars?

>> Phil Whedon: 9:14

Oh gosh, that's oversharing isn't it? For a long time it was just me, my mum and my brother. So my memories of that are driving in the car with probably some terrible music like a lane page or something.

>> Andy: 9:26

Ok. Dreadful stuff you like. You might need a case of counselling after that.

>> Phil Whedon: 9:30

I think so. Might have influenced my later choice of boy bands, I don't know but.

>> Andy: 9:35

And either of your parents smokers?

>> Phil Whedon: 9:37

They were in the day. Yeah. But to be fair they were very good. They didn't smoke in the car. Whereas my dad's colleague in his Talbot Avenger and laterly for he used to smoke non stop like you'd get through two lighters a day probably how it be. I remember, I remember sitting in his car and because they'd always let me sit in the car and pretend to drive it but I remember sitting in John's car, my dad's mate and you could see the cigarette ash in the binnacle just piled up like you could barely see the myelometer because of the ash. Yeah, horrendous. Yeah and it'stank. It really like musty smell like the headlining would have. Yeah, not good.

>> Andy: 10:14

my dad was a big smoking enthusiast and the same like the ashtray would be literally like mounting up gearr poking out the top of the ash sort of thing.

>> Phil Whedon: 10:23

I drove a Rose Roy Silver Shadow the other day actually quite an early series 1 Silver Shadow and it's got this amazingly over engineered ashtray and you can imagine in the late 60s driving something like that wafting along with a cigar on. Yeah, I can't imagine it now. Somehow it's all about powering your iPhone now, isn't it? You've got a USB adapter.

>> Andy: 10:40

You got have those everywhere. You, do you remember any breakdowns in particular?

>> Phil Whedon: 10:44

Well, I mentioned the Renault 12 breaking down, actually. That was a thing. and we did have a Mark 2 Cavalier.

>> Andy: 10:50

Oh, lovely.

>> Phil Whedon: 10:51

Which we went up to Yorkshire in on a family holiday and it broke down not very far from home, actually. And the memory of that one, which was bizarre, was that we only had a very small bottle of water left in the car, which my mum must have bought because it was a Perrier water. Never. Yeah, never had that. But it was a flavoured one. Me and my brother thought, what the hell is this? It just tasted like it had been recycled. It was not pretty. But, yeah, we were gasping for hours while we were wa. For recovery.

>> Andy: 11:19

Oh, you didn't run out of antifreeze? It wasn't. You had to pour it in.

>> Phil Whedon: 11:21

I can't even remember what wrong with the car, but we definitely got trailered back home, so, yeah, yeah, that was a thing. But otherwise we only ever used the car for local runs, so I think if it stopped working, we just didn't use it. Yeah, yeah.

>> Andy: 11:33

Any kids at school with kind of enviable cars or equally dreadful cars?

>> Phil Whedon: 11:37

yeah, school runs were quite good, actually. We shared the lifts to school. So my friend Brett, his father used to take us into school and he was always a sucker for buying a car at an auction.

>> Andy: 11:47

Risky.

>> Phil Whedon: 11:48

Always dined out on how cheap it was. And then when this, early Ford Sierra 1.6 GL auto would sort of be like, like stuttering up the hill, you think, okay, that's why it was cheap, mate. But Brett's mum had a Rover SD1.

>> Andy: 12:00

Oh, lovely.

>> Phil Whedon: 12:01

I've always loved SD ones S and this was a fairly late one with the automatic gear shifter with the chrome knob in the top, which was reminiscent of the Night Rider car has the same gear knob. So I just pretended it was like a British Night Rider. I thought it was great.

>> Andy: 12:18

Excellent. where are we going next? Oh, this is a good one. Take the tone down a little bit. Smells. The m. Interesting smells in any of these vehicles?

>> Phil Whedon: 12:24

probably not ones I want to share. I remember going down to beley for my 11th birthdayeah in a Ford Orion. It was a 1.6 DL model. Right. So that's the 55 horsepower diesel. Zero to 60 by sort of calendar days rather than seconds. And, we took my friend Jamie Bigignnall down, who I only found out on the journey suffered from car sickness and we were probably not far from the motor museum at the time because we were driving down some new forest roads and suddenly Jamie sort of felt a bit queasy and we were being tailgated by another car behind us and he just wound the window down and released his breakfast and the guy that was tailgating has decided not to tailgate us after that because we saw the windscreen wipers come on. So obviously there was some bran flakes or something hitting his windscreen at the time which he probably thought better of. so that probably was a smell that I'm glad left the car rather than stayed in.

>> Andy: 13:16

Consider it that you actually put the window down.

>> Phil Whedon: 13:18

It was very good of himah. But I do remember having to pull over and using some key or orange squash to wipe the side of the car down.

>> Andy: 13:25

So probably quite a good sort of acidic.

>> Phil Whedon: 13:28

Yeah, it was a bit sticky. It did the job. Yeah.

>> Andy: 13:32

Quite the scent to the sort 70s 80s squash as well. Yeah strong bit like an air fresh.

>> Phil Whedon: 13:37

Remember the Kiora soundtrack now to the.

>> Andy: 13:39

Adverts but I can't remember, don't recall it. Yeah I remember. Yeah. As a kid I don't think I was allowed it because it sent you loopy.

>> Phil Whedon: 13:44

Yeah, we also had Soda Stream so that was that. It was lots of artificial Trigar in that.

>> Andy: 13:50

any questions from the floor? Anyone? Question for Phil on his parents cars?

>> Phil Whedon: 13:53

I. Any therapy? Clearly, did you ever work.

>> Andy: 13:58

On the cars at all?

>> Phil Whedon: 13:59

Do any repair jobs to the engine or anything? I didn't work on the cars, no, not early on. It was only Actually when I got the day job I was the editor of Car Mechanics for a little while from 99 onwards and I started working more on my cars. I guess like a lot of things I was quite scared at first about mucking it up and making the car worse. And because my first car was my mum's at that point, five year old Mark four Escort, I still were on going to a dealer to get the work done. But I had a lovely mentor, a guy called Jim Patton who used to write for us and he said come to my house and we'll work on it together. And actually having someone looking over your shoulder to make sure you didn't mess it up was quite nice and that gave you the confidence to not be afraid to tinker with your car in the end. And I have to say I'm busy. I've got kids myself now and I still elect to take my car to garages now rather than do the work myself. But I do handker after the time, perhaps when my kids are a bit older and I can dabble in the garage with a car, perhaps one I don't need on the Monday morning in case I ruin it.

>> Andy: 14:55

But, yeah, that's a good piece of advice, isn't it?

>> Phil Whedon: 14:57

Have a spare. Yeah, indeed.

>> Andy: 14:59

I was going to ask, was your dad involved at all in sort of getting his hands dirty with cars at all? Obviously delegated the car washing duties to you?

>> Phil Whedon: 15:07

Yeah, apart from delegating car washing to me. I think when he was younger, he was definitely because he used to buy Car Mechanics magazine, because when I got the job, he pulled out a copy that he bought in the 60s when he was sort of learning to drive. And, he definitely because no one had money to send these cars to dealers or anything. So you did it yourself, Right. You had no other choice. And he brought a mark to Cortina, as his first car and he loved it and he did the work himself and he was very much an advocate of doing that, I think, again, as he got older and his job involved working night shifts and things he didn't, perhaps do as much as he. And when he had a company called, he wouldn't have done it himself, but, yeah, he used to dabble. I've spoken to him about it. Now he's still working, he's looking to retire next year. And I said, look, maybe a sort of father something. We buy a project car to do together. You know, we could have it at my place and it could be one of those sort of father, son bonding things that everyone talks about.

>> Andy: 15:53

yeah. That kind of leads me ont to. My next question really is, do you think there's a particular vehicle he kind of wished he bought but didn't?

>> Phil Whedon: 15:58

Maybe my dad. Yeah, I don't know, actually. He was never, I think, into cars in the way I was. Actually, I don't think was a car enthusiast, whereas I think for me, I just remember playing with model cars and sitting in my dad's cars, like, because I was, what, eight when Night Rider came out? I've mentioned Night Rider already. Right. I remember making Night Rider dashboards out of serial packets and blue, tacking them to the dashboard of my dad's car and then sitting it, pretending it was a Pontiac Firebird. Bit ludicrous on the driveway when it's just a for Orion, but, you know, at the time I thought I was the hof.

>> Andy: 16:33

I was going to ask if you ever draw, like, A gold eagle on his bonnet. That was.

>> Phil Whedon: 16:37

Well, I'll tell you what, there's a memory for you. My mum's friend emigrated to Australia and left us with her Mark One Hillman Avenger was an actual Hillman Avenger. And I don't even know why it was in our back garden, but it was just in our back garden doing nothing. But my brother and I took to it with a permanent marker and put a.01 on the door and a Federation flag on the roof and we used to sort of climb over the roof and jump into it like we were Bo and Luke. I don't know if she ever wanted the car back, but we'd have probably had to get the terps out to wash it off if she did.

>> Andy: 17:10

What became of it?

>> Phil Whedon: 17:11

I genuinely don't know. I think it probably went to the great car Heaven in the sky sort of thing. But yes. Yeah, it's now in the concourse display here. I've got no idea where that car went, but again, we were living our best life over there.

>> Andy: 17:23

A da polisher trying to get off that. Probably take the keyior over there.

>> Phil Whedon: 17:27

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We've got a bit of leftover from Jamie's escapades.

>> Andy: 17:31

Fantastic. That's bro me a little bit.

>> Phil Whedon: 17:33

You don't know where to go with that.

>> Andy: 17:35

I was going to say, anything that your dad or anyone sort of old the news owned. What car maybe you would like to get your hands on? Or have you got a car that you've bought because someone else has own one?

>> Phil Whedon: 17:45

I don't know. It's funny, the, In the pride of ownership display here is a Mark 1 Orion. And again, being a Ford guy, I love that car. It's not a gear injection that I think most people hankered after. It's a gear model with the posh Crush velour and I think that would be my car of the Sheri, if I'm honest, and it's that kind of thing. My dad had an Orion, my head teacher at my junior school had an.

>> Andy: 18:05

Orion and it just relatively affordable.

>> Phil Whedon: 18:08

Yeah, it feels quite accessible. I mean, it's an old Ford, right. So it's still worth high watering money for what it. It's probably worth more now than it was brand new. Right. So, yeah, potentially, I suspect. So something like that feels like an itch that I'll need to scratch at some point when I've got more time and money and a bit of space, I guess. Yeah. I mean, the thing is, I've got four vehicles on the driveway already that I kind of have to use or lose. And the idea of having a classic that doesn't do much I probably can't justify at the moment. So the garage is where the treadmill goes at the moment, unfortunately. sacrilege. I know. I don't use that either.

>> Andy: 18:43

Thank you very much. I think it's been good fun kind of doing those. Any stories we need to hear from you which are kind of itching to tell us, which we've not prompted or poked you for.

>> Phil Whedon: 18:50

Oh, not really. That's probably enough of my childhood laid out to bear. Some psychologists can pick apart that laser. Apart from the fact that clearly we've passed each other on a bus somewhere. It's in sup.

>> Andy: 19:00

But anyway, yeah, anyone out there with, an earliest car memory they'd like to share with us? Come on. Come on up. So we'll pass a microphone and, let's. Let's hear it. What's your name, sir?

>> Phil Whedon: 19:09

Carl.

>> Andy: 19:09

Welcome along, Carl. And what, yeah, what's your earliest car memory?

>> Carl: 19:12

my dad's Mark 1 Cortina.

>> Andy: 19:15

Okay.

>> Carl: 19:15

And, yeah, and you talked about, breaking down. We spectacularly broke down. We'on. The way back from the seaside, I remember my dad saying, God, what's that noise? The manifold had actually come off.

>> Andy: 19:27

Oh, goodness.

>> Carl: 19:28

So, yes. So a lot of noise and yeah, panic and yeah.

>> Andy: 19:33

What colour was the car you remember?

>> Carl: 19:34

I don't what the exact colour was. Got navy blue.

>> Andy: 19:36

So. Okay.

>> Phil Whedon: 19:36

Ah.

>> Carl: 19:37

And it was, it was a three door. One of the early ones was badge console on the bonnet, I think.

>> Phil Whedon: 19:42

Yeah, yeah.

>> Andy: 19:43

Who was in the car?

>> Carl: 19:43

my sister. I, and my mum and dad. So, yeah, we'd had a great day out at the seaside and, yeah, we took hours and hours to get home.

>> Andy: 19:52

Well, thank you very much. We're down to one microphone. Anyone else with an earliest car memory you'd like to share? No? Cool, Phil, Farewell. Thank you very much, Phil. It's been good of you to join us. We're down to one microphone. That was, my dad's car podcast. Yeah. Thank you for joining us. short and sweet for some of you, but see you next year. Co. Have you got five minutes for a wrap up? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice to have Phil on, who is MD at Kelsey Media, I think it's now called. So they run, yeah, a lot of the car magazines, classics, world Volkswor, etc. Yeah, I think they do mini magazines and all the rest, along with a number of titles aimed at Pets and think very obscure titles. Small Pet Monthly. Yeah. Hamster, Petting Weekly. These may or may not be titled. Sorry, Phil. Ger Monthly. Yeah. Ferret Weekly. Ah, that's got toa be one, isn't it? Just roll up the magazine and stick it up your trouser leg when you go the shop. Yeah. No, you've. You'veviously met Phil before, haven't you? But it's my first time meeting him. Although I've probably met him several times. Oh yeah. He's been stalking you, isn't he?

>> Phil Whedon: 21:00

Yeah.

>> Andy: 21:01

Turns out that Phil and I have various logistical links, don't we, so. But no, there's some good stories. One of my strong memories from the. The chat was him mentioning the use of keyiora for washing out. somebody vomited out of a window, didn't they? I seem to remember.

>> Phil Whedon: 21:16

Yeah.

>> Andy: 21:16

And it went down the side of the car. That was it.

>> Phil Whedon: 21:18

Yeah.

>> Andy: 21:18

And then the cura was then used. Yeah. That was the only suitable liquid help. With the removal of the vomit. Yeah. Yeah. We should note that actually we're recording this a number of weeks after. Yeah. Having conducted this interview and probably a few weeks after actually editing it as well. And we have just recorded another podcast so we've got a head full of other people's car stories. Yeah. but yeah, some nice memories there at the Sunbeam Toolt Chrysler badge engine it which I think we, we spoke to. Was it Sarah? Her dad had a. Yeah. A blue one that he painted. Was that him or was that Jill? I seem to remember seeing a picture. I think maybe it was s Sarah. I think it might have been. Yeah, he had one but yeah. Interesting. Actually I think probably all of us can relate to kind of sitting on parents lap doing a bit of driving around a car park. Do you ever do that? I don't think we ever did. I do seem to remember him mentioning it once but he probably wasn't going to let me loose on his lap in a Merk to be honest. Yeah. I don't remember doing that to be honest. no. Have you done it with your kids? No, no, no. I've done it on kind of campsites. And things like that. Have you? Yeah, and just round the back they'll sit on, on your lap and just have a tricky in the Porsche steering'very. Heavy. But yeah, and kind of other stuff. Just yeah, let them. It's harder thing to do nowadays isn't it? Because all the car parks aren't What they were, are they. They're just full of obstacles now and yeah, things. Because that was the sort of prime space to do it, wasn't it, back in the day? And ah, they've all got cameras and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Saiq's probably got some sort of child on lap camera in southeast here. Real killjoy. Pay 60 quin. They let me do it. Sir Sadiq, I should say. Oh, is he really? He's getting a nighthead. You'joking yeah, that's what I'm m hearing. What a shocker. Yeah, what a shocker. so, yeah, children driving cars on laps, I think absolutely should be encouraged. Yeah, yeah, as long as it's safe. Yeah, in, in a safe, quiet car park environment. yeah, yeah, I think that's important. And then, yeah, he mentioned the roof rack and I seemed to recall later on there was some sort of car acc where the roof rack was sort of pivotal in in sa him. So, bit of a sav. Yeah. And I think seatbelts involved as well, I believe just after Seatbet l came in. But no, Phil was great, wasn't there? It was good of him to stand in. You can find him on, I think. It'S on the Classics World website. We'll take you through to all the sort of Kelsey Motoring titles. so, yeah, thank you very much to him. We we'll wrap this up. All right?

>> Phil Whedon: 23:42

Ah, mat.

>> Andy: 23:42

Yeah, all the best of a good one. Yeah. Speak soon. Roll the credits.

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>> Phil Whedon: 24:05

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