Tom McCooey: I wrote a book about restoring my parents wedding car. MG Magnette, Montego, BMW 3 series, 5 series S5E9

We welcome Tom McCooey, a journalist and author onto our podcast to chat about his parents cars, and in particular an MG Magnette called Maggie.
The car had previously last been used in 1983 and was his parent's wedding car.  After his father passed away in 2016, his mother offered him the car and he set about restoring it.
Financially it should never have been saved, but the vehicle lives, and was the basis for a book which is now available to buy.
Maggie – A Lifelong MG Love Affair - Scratching Shed Publishing

Beyond this car we chat about a Mk2 Fiesta with no rear seat belts, mini disc players and ipods, a Montego Estate with the 'vomit seats' a pair of aging BMWS which sounded posh, but Tom assures us really weren't.
These were later replaced by the Zafira, and then a Vauxhall Agila, which he learnt to drive in.

In this episode we also discuss how Tom's father passed away, likewise what led to Andy's Dad and Jon's Dad's checking out early, and what we would have done given the opportunity to take on our Father's cars.

Hope you enjoy this one. 

Transcript

>> Tom: 0:00

Welcome to My Dad's Car. Enjoy.

>> Andy: 0:12

Welcome to My Dad's Car. A podcast discussing our personal relationship with automotive nostalgia. And you know what? It doesn't even have to be about your dad's car. It can be your mom's, your grands, your parents, guardians or even a neighbours if it made an impression. Let's talk about it. How you doing, John? Good afternoon. Yeah, not too bad. How things.

>> Tom: 0:37

Hi.

>> Andy: 0:37

Hi. How are you doing?

>> Tom: 0:38

I'm good, how are you?

>> Andy: 0:39

Yeah, not too bad, not too bad. It's a fine beard you've got there.

>> Tom: 0:43

Thank you very much. People always say that and you don't have to do very much other than just wait, really. So it's y.

>> Andy: 0:52

Fantastic. Okay, let's jump into it, shall we?

>> Tom: 0:56

Lovely.

>> Andy: 0:56

Yeah. For the benefit of the tape, we're joined by, and I might butcher your surname. I'm very sorry. Tom McKuey.

>> Tom: 1:02

Yeah. S. Spot on. First time.

>> Andy: 1:04

Wonderful.

>> Tom: 1:04

It's written as it said. So, it's harder to spell than it is to say if that was an American number plat like state logo, that's what my family motto would be.

>> Andy: 1:15

And I'm trying to think how we got in touch with each other. I can't remember that I found you or you found us. But, the premise is you've written a book which is out on the moment y which obviously will kind of come on to. But, you've written a book pretty much on the subject of our podcast. My Dad's Car.

>> Tom: 1:30

That's the one.

>> Andy: 1:31

And so, yeah, here we are a few weeks or so later.

>> Tom: 1:34

Seemed like a good fit because my dad's car and a book about literally my dad's car. So here we are.

>> Andy: 1:40

Yeah. Do you want to give us a quick.

>> Tom: 1:41

Yeah, I can do. By all means. So, basically my dad's car is all was because it is now mine. 1956 MG Magnet ZA, which to those who know and love them and to those who don't or are not really awareth of them, it's not the world's most desirable or the world's most stunning classic car. But to those who have them, it means an awful lot. And it definitely means an awful lot to me. the reason. So when we were kids it was in my parents garage completely unmoved apart from us clambering in it and holding the steering wheel and pretending to drive it in this, the other, but it never turned a wheel. And the reason my mu and dad kept it was because it was their wedding car. So it held hu huge sentimental value to them.

>> Andy: 2:21

Okay.

>> Tom: 2:21

And minor thing went wrong with it, like one of the semaphore indicators stop working or something like that. And because me and my brother were little, it was just, I'll get to that job when I get to it. But I'm sort of trying to keep small humans alive right now at the minute. It just got put off and put off and put off to the point where a tiny job became a colossal job.

>> Andy: 2:39

Ah.

>> Tom: 2:39

And me and my dad sort of tinkered with it a little bit when I was a kid, but stuff sort of gets in the ways it does when you're a kid. First it was weekends were spent where he was taking me to sport and stuff, and he was taking my sister, my brother to drama classes, all swimming, whatever it was. So the car was ignored. Then we started mo than around with it when I was about 14. And then when you're 15 and you pick up a guitar and then cars just sort of go out the window again. And that was that basically, until I thought, you know what? I really want to get stuck into this now and help. And it was a lot to do by that point. But then they so throw a huge spanner in the works. M My dad died and it's like, oh, sort of missed my chance there. And my mum said, well, you can have the car if you want it. And here we are six years later, it's finally back on the road. Well, it was six years in 2020, so we're getting on for 10 years now, actually. so I've had it back on the road probably four and a bit years now.

>> Andy: 3:31

Nice.

>> Tom: 3:32

Yeah, it's been good. So the book came about because of being a journalist and a writer by trade, and the writing was sort of more processing my grief in a way, really.

>> Andy: 3:42

I was going to say, was it therapeutic? Yeah, because I've lost my father seven years ago, something like that. And yeah, we've only been doing this kind of getting on for two years, but in a way it is nice to sort of share those memories. And John's kind of probably a little bit longer for you, isn't it, John? But, I guess, yeah, being able to talk about them in a happy way without kind of pining, so to speak. You're just enjoying those happy memories, those little kind of quirks and things that, yeah, they might have just said off the cuff, which you took no notice of at the time. But, yeah, it all kind of makes sense when you start sort of laying it out and Chatting about it a bit later.

>> Tom: 4:14

Yeah, it's 100% that I think I'm really, really bad at grief. My whole family probably very similar. We absolutely suck at it. To the point where I think I went to work about four days later after my dad died.

>> Andy: 4:24

Oh wow.

>> Tom: 4:24

Because it was like right, okay, if I'm busy I'm not thinking about it. It's sad really but I think that's quite a typical male response to sort of something huge happening like that as.

>> Andy: 4:33

You shut it out, get back to normal.

>> Tom: 4:35

Yeah, yeah, back to normal. Crack on, sort think. But then you realise 10 years later you didn't grieve and that's really not healthy and you start to see other things in your life. I think if I'd have just taken a moment I'd have handled that differently. I've got a friend who helps me out on the car a lot who the same age as my dad, who's photographer on the paper and works be on the car now quite a lot. It comes around and we have like a two brew job type thing where if something's wrong with the car it'll take two brews to fix that. and that kind of thing. His advice was always respond, don't react. I'm still really bad at it but I like to try of carry that with me a little bit because if I'd have done more responding and less reacting at the time I'd have probably had a, so a healthier process, maybe speaking about it. Ah, so that's where the writing came in. I thought I'd just write for me and put down on paper or on a screen the stuff so I don't forget it because everyone probably feels like this about the dad but you want to preserve as much as you possibly can. And then after a bit I thought oh God, I've got a book here. There's like 80,000 words of dat. and I knew the publisher anyway because they're quite well known for doing rugby league stuff and I'm a R League journalist.

>> Andy: 5:37

Have you written other books before? Is this the first time you've kind of done a book as such?

>> Tom: 5:41

This is book number three. So first book was about wig and warriors, rugby league club, totally separate, nothing to do with cars whatsoever. OK. Second book was with two other journalists and that was Wyn warriors, his 150th anniversary. So again nothing to do with cars and this was totally separate. But I had a chat with the publisher and said do you mind having to read this and you just tell me, honestly, I'm not precious. I'm not after anything, but can you tell me if it's any good? Yeah, I'd like to publish it. So.

>> Andy: 6:06

Wow.

>> Tom: 6:07

Okay, Nice. Let's go for it. So, obviously then I had to then get in touch with everybody mentioned in it because it's qu. Quite personal, really. It's not just about the car. You've got to have the stories that go with it, which means this point in childhood, this point in. This point in life.

>> Andy: 6:21

Yeah.

>> Tom: 6:21

These people, you know'things like the birth of my children in there. Which means then you have to then go speak to her wife and say, look, stuff about you in here as well. Do you mind? And, like, checking that out and then going to my mu and saying, I spoke to you about the car and put this in this writing book now it was going to be published. Are you okay with that?

>> Andy: 6:37

ye.

>> Tom: 6:37

And yeah. And it turned out that everyone was okay with there'a few minor edits that I went through and thought, oh, yeah, maybe people might not be interested in that, or maybe I'll just change the wording here so this person's not embarrassed by. And then, yeah, in October we had a book which, I'm very, very proud of, but more because it's just something else with my dad in a neat little package. It's not scattered around the house in a thousand bits'like a wallet, a wedding there or whatever. It's just like a package of dad. And I'm really proud of that.

>> Andy: 7:04

Fantastic. Cool. So what's the book called? And where can people buy it? And then we'll ask you the big question.

>> Tom: 7:09

Yeah, of course. Yeah. So the book is called Maggie A Lifelong MG Love Affair. Because we're very imaginative naming our cars. I'm sure a lot of people are as well. So, Maggie, it's quite a common shortening of Magnet M and you can basically Google that and find Scratching Shed Publications. You can buy it direct from the publisher there. There's other places that do stock it as well, but you can get it straight from the publisher by Googling Scratch and Shed Publications and then looking for me.

>> Andy: 7:34

Fantastic. Right? Yeah. I think there's going to be lots to talk about.

>> Tom: 7:37

Yeah.

>> Andy: 7:39

what's your earliest car memory? And it doesn't have to be this vehicle. We'll skirt around that, I'm sure, but it could be.

>> Tom: 7:44

But there's a few cal memories that are sort of like, blurry and not in high definition. If we're going to Go. The first hd. I know this definitely happened. Car memory we had. The best way to describe it is maroon, but it was more like purple. The maroon, Montego, a Rover Montego 7 seater with the Wayack seats in the boot was basically like open up the hatchback and you could pull out a bench.

>> Andy: 8:08

Yeah.

>> Tom: 8:09

And there were five of us. So my sister and my brother sat in the normal back seats and I could have quite happily gotne in there as well. Like I'm having that. That's my domain. I remember this. We always used to run cars into the ground as well. I think that was quite common in like the late 80s and early 90s with people raising kids and money and things like that. You didn't get a new car every year. You ran what you had into the ground. And I just remembered going everywhere backwards. had a little tray that you could put sweets in and forget about them. Get like welded into the plastic, writing notes and holding them up to people who were driving behind you. Sometimes they'd fall asleep. So then you'd like sit up and then you'd see the person behind you. Dr. Go J Christ. Like this kid open the boot. That's so. Stuff like that was good fun. That's earliest car memory. Yeah, definitely. Shar sharing the boot with shopping and things like that. You like, can I delve into these biscuits? Will anyone hear me? And that kind of thing.

>> Andy: 8:58

So I think I've those style seats to vomit seats on previous episode. yeah. Travelling backwards can be a bit sort of turbulent for some, can'it. I know it is for me actually. And we used to go and sort of taxis where you get the. The short straw.

>> Tom: 9:11

Yeah. Although my son now, he's four, he insisting going on those. If ever get in a cab anywhere, he wants to do the backwards thing.

>> Andy: 9:17

All right. So was there a necessity for a seven seater in your family? Like, have you got loads of siblings or.

>> Tom: 9:23

No, it wasn't a necessity initially. There was only five of us. So I think it was just the fact that it was like a practical. My mu and dad wanted the hat that would do everything from Christmas trees to taking in animals to the ve. So it just made sense to have something like a Montego. But then my little brother was born when I was 14 and then there was six of us. So then there was a necessity for a seven seater and that was just about the time I started to get interested in being in bands and stuff like that as well. So the very glamorous Vauxhall of EA then became a base cab slash people haul are about her type thing. and again I was in the back, way back in that as well. I definitely promised you I got on with my family. There was no sort of ill feeling but I just like my distance when we're travelling like some sort of royal in the back of the vehicle.

>> Andy: 10:07

And Were you listening to music in there?

>> Tom: 10:09

Yeah, always, Always. I was the kid with the tape. I used to make compilation tapes like mixtapes, quite a lot ye and I'd be the one doing that with batteries. Like rubbing them together like, come on, please just work, just work this work. Then we graded for Miniisipplay one Christmas it. It was Christmas 1999 going into 2000. Me and my brother got minidiss. Oh my God. That was like the height of technology. I remember thinking, gosh, go toa have to put all these complilationsions downo these min discks. And that lasted about two years.

>> Andy: 10:35

Yeah, I was going to say they had like a little window didn't they, where they were sort of massive. And then that was it.

>> Tom: 10:41

That was it, yeah. and then I remember seeing an ipod for the first time. Probably just doing my GCSes and being insanely jealous of this person. Do you remember the white ones with.

>> Andy: 10:50

The wheel on the.

>> Tom: 10:51

They still have black and white. It'like there'literally thousands of stuff on. This is amazing. So that was the first time I ever got credit and it was a really, really bad idea because things have just snowballed since then, especially having kids. But you go right, oh, buying not pay later. Yeah, I'm up for that. I went and got myself this ipod. I still got it sellot taped together and I was always the one in the back of the car with headphones plugged in. Always, always had music on the go.

>> Andy: 11:12

I thought you're goingna say you're still.

>> Tom: 11:14

Paying it off Tom, if you do the maths. I probably am. I ve probably still got 20 quidids to on it.

>> Andy: 11:23

So you had your music on. were your folks listening to kind of the radio in the front with your brothers and sisters or.

>> Tom: 11:29

Yeah, it was back in the day when local radio was still going so that was always on just because my dad was like, you listen to music in the car. I can't concentrate on driveiving. It's like one thing. It's like my dad, big, big music person. So what you'd expect, with like Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Dire, Straighteah, all that kind ofuff. But if you Put music my dad likes on in the car. I can't. It's like, you know, I've got to that age where you turn down the radio to see when you're driving even though obviously they're not related or to park. To park, yeah, that kind of thing. so we always just had local radio on just because I'm just. I'm driving, I'm not listening to music. That kind of thing.

>> Andy: 12:01

Turn it down so you can hear when you're tapping the car behind when you re dress parking 100% that.

>> Tom: 12:06

Yeah. Ah.

>> Andy: 12:06

I took my glasses off to read a menu in the pubvious day I was like. They offered me very focusal When I thought my glasses changed I was. I definitely don't need veocals. I'm not kind of Dame Ednner or whatever or who's the snooker player? Steve Davis, Dennis Taylor. That's the Badger. And Yeah. Then there's me with on my glasses in one hand and I'JUST like am I 70?

>> Tom: 12:27

Brilliant, brilliant. Yeah. And I remember as well, if I was. My dad was taking me to a rugby game on a Sunday he'd let me have my tape on to sort of sign me up, so to speak. So my little compilation tapes and he had. It was BMW M at the time, very posh. And you remember those car radios that you pulled out but they weighed like an absol hun so nobody ever pulled them out. What was the point? Or they were under the passenger seat of the car anyway.

>> Andy: 12:49

Yeah, yeah.

>> Tom: 12:49

But because you're taking it out and in so many times you'd have to like really there was a knack of putting it in just the right way because the connections were wearing out and that was car music.

>> Andy: 12:58

It makes me laugh. Those little removable fascias we all used to take off.

>> Tom: 13:02

That's brilliant.

>> Andy: 13:03

But we did used to put them under the seat, didn't we?

>> Tom: 13:04

Yeah because we wouldn't take them in the shop or anything. So if you want a car radio, just smash in a look under the seat.

>> Andy: 13:09

Exactly. Yeah.

>> Tom: 13:10

Prime advice for you there.

>> Andy: 13:14

Okay, so yeah, they had the Rover you mentioned Bl. The Zafira. yeah. That's a mouthful. And you'just hinted at a BMW. Do you know much more about the BMW?

>> Tom: 13:23

Yeah. So going to make us sound really posh because we had two at one point. That's quite embarrassing, I promise you. There were claps out when we bought them. So basically when the Montego died, for whatever reason, my moment d decided that a big sort of aist steake car wasn't needed anymore. The second handd BMW 5 series that was red and it was one of those where you know the colour goes that sun bleach. So the sides of the car were red but the boot and the bonnet were white. Had to d be out with teac cut just and it was like it's not white anymore but it's pink. It's still not red. And you could just probably get it rel lacred or something like that. But we never did that. And then my dad decided he really liked my mu'BMW so he was going to get himself on for work. He was driving around in a Ford Fiesta at the time called the Silver Bullet but it's Silver Death trackap. It was one those. It didn't have seatbelts in the back so we were all just like bouncing around in back on the way to school, having a great time where he was driving in the front.

>> Andy: 14:09

What was that Mark Marki fiesta maybe? Mark one, Mark two fiesta, yeah.

>> Tom: 14:12

88, 89 something like that.

>> Andy: 14:14

yeaheah.

>> Tom: 14:14

And then he swapped that for a BMW 31 AH8I which we ended up killing both BMWs. And that was when the Saphirra came and it was about that time that little brother came along. Okay, so they went for the Saphiran. That my dad's work car was the most embarrassing car in the world ever because it was the car we learned to drive in. So we bought a Voxhall of Geea for me and my brother to learn in and he may as well have just said I'm not buying your deodorant anymore. That was the social effect it had.

>> Andy: 14:39

Is that the one with the rear doors that open like a Rolls Royce?

>> Tom: 14:43

No, they didn't open like a Rolls Royce.

>> Andy: 14:45

It's a bit like a Suzuki wagon, isn't it? Like a little square on wheels.

>> Tom: 14:48

It's the same car with a different badge. I swearat the same car down to the last detail. Except the badge and the wheels were like the size of a birthday card badge but on a normal car. And you'd just be driving around thinking I really am hating life right now. Learning to drive should be a liberatingating experience. It should be exciting. But just remember the gear lever was about 6ft long sticking out the floor. You could never find which key you want. It's going is because even though he's a learner you can't anyway. But it was even harder because of that. You felt like you were going to tip over on corners. And then when you did pull up and anybody recognised, you'd be like, O Christ, pull your hood up and like, put hats on, all that kind of stuff. You didn't want to be seen in it. but here we are.

>> Andy: 15:24

So that was a company car, Tom.

>> Tom: 15:26

It wasn't a company car. No, he bought it to go to work.

>> Andy: 15:29

Oh, he bought it. I was going to ask, do you know where your parents were sourcing these cars in the past?

>> Tom: 15:34

Yeah, the Voxhallors came from Luckers in St Helens, which we still go to, because it's one of those where they're really good and for family cars you go in and then. I don't know if this is like the new sales taxi, but they've always been like, this is what they call a walk away policy. So you look at the car and they go, right, go on, go walk away. We're not going to put pressure on you. And it sort of works in a weird way because you go, oh, they were really nice to go back. so we've got a vox on now as I carrying the kids around car because it just does a job. It's not expensive, it's not particularly flashy, doesn't qualify as a Chelsea tractor. So, you know, you're okay on that front as well. But it's got all the bits you'd expect from a modern car is in Isofix, so the kids are safe and it's not going to overheat or break down on you. You'd hope. So. Does the job. So until we're such a time where we can get something a bit flasher, it's fine.

>> Andy: 16:21

Does the job. Does the job, Absolutely. So, yeah, you alluded to the fact your parents got. They didn't get physically get married in the car, but they had the MG as their wedding car.

>> Tom: 16:30

###E what's the wedding car?

>> Andy: 16:32

Did they get married before you guys came along?

>> Tom: 16:34

Yeah. So that was 1983. They got married and then the car went off the road really soon after that. My brother was born in 1985.

>> Andy: 16:42

And were they still using it when you guys came along or.

>> Tom: 16:44

I know it was running at some point then because there's a picture, of my brother, must have been about two, washing it.

>> Andy: 16:49

Ok.

>> Tom: 16:49

It might not have been road legal, but it had been pulled out the garage on to the drive or whatever and a bit of a toy to like, sort of fetle with. I was born in 87 and it hadn't moved the first time I ever saw Actually, out of the garage was. My mum was having a garage door, a new one, probably about 2016. So this is two years after I inherited it. And I had to push it out the garage to let the people come in and do the door. And the reason I hadn't pushed it out before then was because my mum's drive is like a 45 degree angle. It's really steep. So once you've pushed old MG out.

>> Andy: 17:19

He'S like, you got to get it back again.

>> Tom: 17:20

How do I get it back in? There's a story about that conundrum in the book where I'm sat on the road, I sitting on the asphalt in front of the cargo. How am I gonna get that back in there with no power? And you can find out what happened.

>> Andy: 17:37

The opposite of a cliffhanger there. Taser. Yeah, A cliff upper.

>> Tom: 17:43

That was good fun.

>> Andy: 17:44

So it was your father's car rather than your mother's car. And before they got married, was that considered kind of a toy car for him or was that his regular run around?

>> Tom: 17:52

That was his car. He went to work in it. And he was a teacher and the headmaster would say, always come to work in a police car. That kind of thing.

>> Andy: 17:59

Something from Heartbeat.

>> Tom: 17:59

Yeah. Because Even then, late 70s, early 80s, it was probably only about 25 years old then at that point in the car, but it was still seen as some sort of like, archaic relic back then.

>> Andy: 18:11

It's quite a 50s design, isn't it? Sort of.

>> Tom: 18:13

You look at it, you know, straight away, there's no other decade it could possibly be from. it's brilliant for that. Absolutely.

>> Andy: 18:19

And kind of jumping forward to today, how do you feel when you kind of drive that? Does it drive as you imagined it would drive? Do you kind of almost go into your father's head? Was you driving it or.

>> Tom: 18:31

It does now. When I very first drove it home, I was petrified to the point. Remember when you're like a learner driver and you put your foot down on the clutch and your whole leg starts shaking and then you can't find the bitike point and the car lurches forward and then someone behind you pas because you're being so slow at lights and so careful, and then your gear crunch took about two or three weeks of that before. I was like, right, okay, you got to settle into this car now. It'll be fine. The more you drive it, you want to enjoy it. It'll be fine. I drove it as much as possible. Whether it's to go and get a Pint and milt from the shop. I been the tip in it also. It's like just use the car.

>> Andy: 19:03

Proper dad stuff. Tip run.

>> Tom: 19:05

Yeah, I love going to tip. Can't be we going off the tangent now. But I just, I love everything about the tip, from the noise to the spok. The fact you'encouraged to, to throw things in a skip. It's brilliant. Anyway, going back, going back to the magnet, it was quite jerky anyway, when you were accelerating, it was labouring and it was chugging. And Gary and a mate called Bill Par, who's one of Gary's mates. So Gary's the photographer of the paper. we just started fettling over a period of probably 18 months. Things like we stripped the carbs and put them back together. I say we. I had tea and filmed it all and Instagramm it. Like I know what I'm doing while they actually did it. few little jobs here and there, just sorting it out, tuning, performing what I would describe as wizardry. And now the car drives beautifully and I think it's a mixture of the two that it's being properly looked after by people who know what they're doing while I watch and that I'm driving it more often because as we all know, classic cars hate not being used. and I've fallen victim to that a couple of times since I've had the car back where, so you get a weekend in December or whatever, think I'm going to go for a drive and then you think, yeah, but I've also got a six month old baby that I've not seen all weeks.

>> Andy: 20:09

I've been at work.

>> Tom: 20:10

A week becomes three weeks becomes a month becomes two months. You sit down, you try and start the car, nothing, that kind of thing. And that happened a couple of times in the early days because I got the car back a week before my oldest was born. Ok, and now it's just recognizising. Okay, you can do both. You've just got to manage that really carefully. So it helps now that the kids sleep at the same time every evening rather than just being like chaotic. I don't know how to describe it really. Sometimes it can be like a scene from the Walking Dead when you're trying to get kids to sleep, whereas that's more consistent now. So you go, right, okay, so they're going to be asleep at this time. I can at least start the car and drive it down to the local shop and get a pint of mil. Called everyone and Come back in it.

>> Andy: 20:47

Ye.

>> Tom: 20:47

You know, on a Saturday morning because they're that little bit older, a little bit easier to manage to go right I'll take it out just for a quick run around the block and then I'm back sort of thing. So it is getting more and more easy to handle because I'm getting more confident as well as the odd days in some way think, do you know what? I'm going to use it for work today.

>> Andy: 21:02

Nice. What was it that clicked in your head that thought I've got to kind of save this and what was the first job you did? And it sounds like you're not a mechanic.

>> Tom: 21:10

No, I'm not a mechanic at all. I like old things and I've got a knack of collecting things that don't work properly. So I've got the bakerite phone from my granddad's house which is just sitting there on the counter at the minute which isn't worth anything. I've seen them on ebay for like a tena but it's just like I really want to just send it to someone who can put a modern plug on it and get it to work, that kind of thing. I've got a typewriter that doesn't work. I've still got the Miniis player So whether it's 50s technology or 90s technology I just love stuff that doesn't work properly. I'm definitely like a vinyl man to get a CD player soon, that kind of thing. Get those down out of the loft. I don't know what it is just like making things difficult.

>> Andy: 21:45

I've still got CDS in the car. I did go through an ipod stage with like the telephone dial type ipod but yeah it stopped working unfortunately so I of went backwards to CDS and I just buy them in charity shops now. I used to have a carrier bag in my BMW that had like various mixed cds that I'd made like we're talking sort of 10, 15 years ago.

>> Tom: 22:05

Brilliant.

>> Andy: 22:06

And it was great when you just sort of slipped one. It was a lucky dip there. Nothing was labelled so you just sort of go through the Es as they were. But I haven't got a CD player anymore in my cars so times I.

>> Tom: 22:17

Actually think variet suffered as a result of that because you plug your phone into carplay or whatever and you drive off and you most recently played stuff came on and obviously because you've got kids in the back, you've got, you know, we don't talk about Bruno from Encanto comes on or Moana music or stuff like that and it can I just have some, like some of my music or whatever. And then you just end up putting the same playlist on over and over again and hereing the same 20 songs and then you think there's actually more variety when you walk past a CD shelf before you go to work. I think, right, which three CDS am I taking to work today and do that. So I definitely think sometimes it's easier to choose music and you've got like 30 albums. It's easier to find music to play and enjoy than going Alexa play. head goes blank. Most recent things and then we're all singing. We don't talk about Bruno again.

>> Andy: 23:01

So yeah, you opened your mum's garage and obviously this car's in there.

>> Tom: 23:05

I didn't answer the question. Sorry. So you're absolutely right. I'm not a mechanic. I can do more than I used to, but I'm still not a mechanic.

>> Andy: 23:14

Was your dad handy just to jump.

>> Tom: 23:16

In probably, if I'm being honest. No, no, he talked to a good game and like me could write well. But if we're being honest, he was probably not the best technically with his cars. Like good driver, likes old stuff, could do a thing or two, but probably not the person you go to with a serious problem.

>> Andy: 23:33

Which I guess is why it was in the condition it was in the garage.

>> Tom: 23:36

Probably because if you could fettle and have a tinkerer and there even when you've got the kids knocking around.

>> Andy: 23:41

Yeaheah.

>> Tom: 23:41

Now you could do things like the fuel pump was sticking, you could use the appropriate force with like a mallet to get it to work or something like that. But if we're talking stripping carbs, it probably wouldn't do that. but the first job because it was all seized up was to get the thing to move. So the first thing I did was try to find a jacking point where it wouldn't go through the floor of the car which if I'm being brutally honest at that point was like a tea bag. So it took about three or four goes to find something.

>> Andy: 24:07

It'been kept inside.

>> Tom: 24:08

Yeah, yeah, it was still crusty as and I think the side door of the garage I'm going to blame because I think that let just enough in over the 30 odd years it was there to just cause a few issues. when I say a few issues, my God, if it wasn't my dad's car I would have walked away. It was that bad. but the first job was to take the wheels off and just basically unstick the brakes. and I knew the engine was seized and I thought the wires were all like melted. I thought, this has got too hot. At some point, if I put a battery on this and press the button, that could be an issue. So we're not going to do that. So it was trying to unstick the engine. And mebe me goes, okay, I'll do some research, look on YouTube or Google or whatever, pour a little bit of diesel in the spark for calls and leave it for a week. That'll do it.

>> Andy: 24:50

Oay.

>> Tom: 24:51

So to me, a little bit of diesel was probably about a good lre more than I should have put in. You were not talking athing, but I put a loade of easiesel in. that didn't work. So I put the starting handle on because zai do have a starting handle for such situations. And basically that and a piece of wood in a mallet and just start hitting it over and over again. And then eventually you either p I've done it. Fantastic. Brilliant. I've unstuck the engineer because turn it now. Right, Great. Brilliant. But obviously, as you will know after I've told you the diesel story, when that went to the specialist and they went, yeah, we're gonna need to rebuild that engine anyway because it's just full of sludge. It was not pretty. So I may as well have just left it because they were gonna strip it and rebuild it anyway.

>> Andy: 25:33

M But yeah, I guess you do little things at once, don't you? You're also trying to work out the validity of doing the project 100%.

>> Tom: 25:39

Took it away for an appraisal. And I knew it was bad and they phoned me and said, yeah, it's going toa be probably this figure. And they quoted me a figure which I thought, yeah, that is bad. But if I sort of apply for three or four credit cards, we could maybe do that. But then me being I was so desperate to see it done, I didn't do the sort of head over heart thing gone. Well, if that's what they've told me, it's going to be that times tooeah. Because there's going to be gremlins when they de this amount of rust and they've seen this. But obviously when you've cut that out, that might lead to this and it might be that and it might be the other. And that's exactly what happens. Fix one problem and then uncovered 10 more problems. And like said before, I think if it wasn't my Dad's Za and if what happened and my dad hadn't happened and if it wasn't my parents wedding car, I'd have just said, right, okay, I'm going to sell that to someone who's going to basically strip it for parts because the interior was nice, the glass and the chrome surrounds and things like that, all usable. But as a project it's just going to cost way more than the car'worth and I'd have gone and I'd have bought like a top class, amazing, all done, beautiful standard one for a lot less money than it eventually cost to get this one looking tatty but on the road. But that wasn't my dad's.

>> Andy: 26:47

So did your siblings have an affinity to that car as well? You kind of been closer to it than them did.

>> Tom: 26:54

Did. I think it's by proxy that I became the car person, not the four of us. My sister had a Morris miner for a bit and she's since acknowledged that was a grief purchase. She loved it, she enjoyed it, but she wasn't spending enough time with it. My brothers aren't really interested in cars to be first, it's more me and my sister but I'm the one who's really into cars. So I don't view it as my car, I view it as the family's car. It's just the one looking after it. Because my mum basically said out of the four of you being kind, you're the one who was silly enough to try and save it. So was like, thanks. because it's been brilliant and I absolutely love it and it makes me feel amazing that not just that we'saved B Daz cup but we've saved a piece of history, an unspectacular piece of history as well, if we're going to be brutally honest about it.

>> Andy: 27:35

Yeah.

>> Tom: 27:36

But I think that's really important to save those things because everybody knows about kings and queens and saves Rols Royces and nice things. But the unexceptional stuff, okay, I mean it's not the most unexceptional car in the world is in. If you had one in the 50s, you were probably doing quite wealthy stu. But in the grand scheme of things, it's like if you go to a museum, I'm going to be looking at a tinner beans rather than a crown. Do you know what I mean?

>> Andy: 27:56

It's nice for your kids though, isn't it? Once. Well, they're old enough, you know.

>> Tom: 27:59

Yeah, 100%. And I'm not going to put any pressure on Them, if they're not interested, fine, they're not interested. And also as well, there's a big question mark over what's going to happen in the future. When I was a kid, the only question was, will this car ever move again? And I think the question now is, when my kids are oldled enough, should this car be moving, in terms of environmentally. So there might be a whole other discussion on other ways to save it, and that's fine. We'll deal with that as and when the time comes. Or it might be the case that they just both go, do you know what, dad? I'm not really interested in cars. In which case that's okay too. There's going to be no pressure from me. But if they're into it and they like the history as much as we do as parents, think great, I'll be all for it.

>> Andy: 28:39

Fantastic. I guess you, obviously, you've taken your mum out on it. What's her kind of emotions regarding the vehicle?

>> Tom: 28:44

Yeah, my mum's emotional about it, but if we're going to be honest, she said it feels very, very similar to when my dad drove it in terms of the way it sounds and the way it feels. And obviously the interior has been left pretty much alone. And because it was stored inside, that's not changed at all. so I think at first it was really, really emotional for, in a hard way, because even though it was six years on, I mean, if you're with someone for 30 od years and have four kids with them, anything without them is going to be difficult. But I think now it's more happy stuff. She just sort of sees the car as an extension of the family, really, rather than seeing it as some sort of, you know, tribute or putting my dad on like a pedestal, so to speak. Which is definitely what it was at first.

>> Andy: 29:21

Can. You don't have to kind of go into it. Can I ask the circumstance kind of, how are your father? Pass.

>> Tom: 29:27

Yeah, of course. I'm absolutely fine with that now. it's difficult to talk about, obviously, because even though it're getting on for 11 years, if she. Dad, we're talking about. I think from what you've alluded to, I think everybody in the rooms and, you know, experienced something similar. Yeah, my dad's lifestyle didn't help him.

>> Andy: 29:43

Okay.

>> Tom: 29:44

I don't think anybody's going to mind me saying that. I absolutely adore my dad and I think people know ad dor my dad, but also who's human and we all have our vices. And he was 58 and basically had heart failure.

>> Andy: 29:55

Okay.

>> Tom: 29:56

And he was never really fit enough for surgery. So while we were basically waiting for him, to sort of get well enough to have this surgery, sort of time caught up with him. You know, it is really sad that he never met my and things like that, but at the same time, if I'm going toa be philosophical, it happens to everybody. And. Okay, I think it was a 26 or 27. It's not really enough time to have with your dad, but I'm glad that it was my dad, so I'd rather have that time than 60 years with somebody else. You know what I mean?

>> Andy: 30:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is really trickyuse. my dad met my eldest kind of a number of times, but she was less than a year or something when he died. And yeah, I'm very philosophical about losing him. He was in a horrific motorbike accident when he was 18 and by all accounts shouldn't have lived. He was in a coma. He was in a hospital for, nine months. Kind of had to learn to walk right again with his other hand. He taught himself right with his left hand, etc. So he died at, I want to say 65, 66. But yeah, he was on borrowed time. My grandma was told he would never walk again. Like he would be kind of basically in a wheelchair, pretty much unresponsive. So, yeah, he had kind of a good life. And yeah, my father died of, Without kind of bringing the mood down too much. He died of bowel cancer. And yeah, his last few months. I wouldn't wish. I wouldn't wish him back in that state.

>> Tom: 31:16

Yeah, yeah, I know you mean, I.

>> Andy: 31:17

Always think, because my dad was 65 when he pass. Also wasn't in the best of health at that time, obviously. Sounds like a similar sort of lifestyle to probably your dad Tom in that didn't really look after himself very well, wasn't fit. But yeah, I kind of see it as one of those. If he would have survived just before he died, like the next, say, survived another 10 to 20 years would be grim probably. I've got, friends whose parents are now sort of mid-70s, you know, suffering with various illnesses, like, you know, dementia, that sort of stuff. One's actually said to me, no, in a way I wish that, you know, the lights could have gone out 10 years ago or something, rather than prolonged pain for everyone involved. So it's one of those ones, isn't it?

>> Tom: 32:03

Really, really hit on there. when I think about mine I think I would have liked any more time or. Of course you would. But I liked him well. And that's the dad I had when I was a kid, not the dad I had when as an adult who, you know, is still an absolutely wonderful person, but you want to be able to. You want to be able to do all the dad things still with your kids, which he was clearly not going to be able to do, so I'd want him back. Well, it's a very, very separate situation, what my wife has, where her dad did look after himself and was well. And then he got lung cancer. so again, a lifestyle thing. But he'd quit smoking. God, 25, 30 years before, and he still got it. And then he had a lung removed and then was told, yeah, you're fine. but itastasized to his brain. so he got to go to our wedding, which was great and obviously were really grateful for. And we always said, oh, well, he's, you know, he might not survive long, but he'll meet our kids. And he didn't. but you just got to accept that and just be grateful of what he did have.

>> Andy: 32:56

Yeah, yeah. There is no kind of good way is this is getting kind of dark in your head. You sort of play a weird game of kind of. What would you prefer? Would you rather sort of know that they've got this terminal issue or that kind of long thing, or just wake up in the morning, it's happened, and there's no right answer, is there at all?

>> Tom: 33:13

There's really not. But you're right, you do play those horrible, you do tort yourself with those games.

>> Andy: 33:16

I was out of the country when my dad hit the snooze button. So I wasn't even in the hospital around all of the sort of events of the last sort of days, as it were, which obviously is, you know, gut wrenching in a way, because there's no official goodbye. But at the same time, you know, I spoke to my brothers, obviously, about it, and they're probably, you know, scarred by, in a way, because it is, you know, it's not nice at all. So it's. Yeah, it's one of those ones really, isn't it? I mean, when you're not there, you just feel helpless, don't you?

>> Tom: 33:45

But you feel helpless when you're there as well.

>> Andy: 33:47

Exactly.

>> Tom: 33:47

Yeah. really good point. There's no right answer. Do I want to be there? Do I not want to be there? The night happened to my dad, I was in the corridor of the Hospital and I was about to go back in was like, do you want to leave him just with Momo or not? It was a bit like, what do I do? And then I decided just let fake decide. You've been out the room for 10 minutes. If you re walk in and it's still there, then, then that's obviously what's going to happen. And that is what happened. But yeah, there's no right answer.

>> Andy: 34:08

Yeah. M On a more cheerful note, I remember well, it's kind of cheerful sitting in the room with my dad after he'd gone and Mud Tiger feet was on the radio. And that's kind of. That just makes me. And he'd find that hilarious. That just kind of makes me chuckle.

>> Tom: 34:22

Yeah, I love stuff like that where you think, okay, this is actually really sad. But there is a sort of weird moment of joy in this.

>> Andy: 34:28

Yeah.

>> Tom: 34:28

Because there's something that would make them laugh.

>> Andy: 34:30

It's amazing though. It, didn't really occur to me until at the beginning of this when you're sort of saying how long ago it was. But mine was 17 years ago now, which is insane to be honest. But I think about the world back in 2007, I think it was pre iPhone. Well, you could have only been about 20, weren't you probably when you passed away. I was eight. I was eight. yeah, about 20. But yeah, no, it's like a world of free iPhone and pre smoking bands and which we always kind of joke with my brother. That's probably why he did cheque out because the smoking ban came into four. So what's the point in living?

>> Tom: 35:07

Everyone's gonna have one vice.

>> Andy: 35:09

Yeah. do you recall kind of friends at schools with interesting cars? That's a big nod. Yeah.

>> Tom: 35:15

Yeah. So not that very interesting cars. not so much dad at all. But what the big memory from school would always be that they would come round and if the garage doe was ever open because my dad was like potting or about in the garage or getting the lawn moower out or something like that, they'd always go, why's there taxi in your garage?

>> Andy: 35:30

A taxi.

>> Tom: 35:31

Why is there a taxi in your garage? Every single person would say that is. It's not a tax. It's not a tax. And they look a little bit similar if you don't know anything about carss in the same colour. They've got like sort of rounded headlights in a big grill. But yeah, I've not had that since I've been driving it. No one's ever said or why you driving a taxi? But kids are o it's taxi.

>> Andy: 35:52

Did you know what it was? It wasn't just oh, that's dad's old car. He'd kind of, he'd given you a bit of a story to it, you knew the significance, etc.

>> Tom: 35:59

Yeah, I D's knowledge of cars. If he'd put him on Masterminds and said your specialist subject, it wouldn't even have to be MGS. It would just be like cars from 1910 to 1980 he would just smash it out. The part with no passes. He was freakishly robotic in his knowledge about all things cars, right from the engine capacitor to designers to weird quirky facts, just not the most amazing at working on them, but knew everything else that could possibly know about them. So because of that I was quite proud of that and I was like, oh, that's not a taxi, it's you know, 1956 MG Z8. Thank you very much. So it was always sort of ingrained in all of us, like that's what this is.

>> Andy: 36:40

Do you know why he had that car? Was that just a, he just needed a run around or.

>> Tom: 36:44

Yeah, it was an accident. So his mate bought it and came and because they're always into co. My dad's dream car was in MGBGT because he saw one on the street when it was like 11 bought one that was basically a dud. He didn't get on with it. It was like oh, that sh. That dream then. But he was always into cars since. So more mgbgt. he had a TV at one point, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, it was great. And his mate bought the ZA because he'd been advised to get one after he described what he'd wanted, basically like a classic saloon run around and he said I get his head 8 He took it home and his wife basically said I hate that car, get rid. So he drove it around to see my dad and my dad was like oh, I love your new car, that's amaz. He saidh only brought it to show you the ones because I'm going toa have to sell it because my wife hates it. And he went well I'll have it then. And that's basically what happened. So because my dad's mate's wife hated the car 40 odd years ago, I ended up with 6 years grief and strife.

>> Andy: 37:39

And that's a slide indoors moment, isn't it? The mate's wife saying take it away.

>> Tom: 37:44

Yeah, if she'd have said no, it's Fine, then I would probably have no mortgage in a Ferrari now.

>> Andy: 37:50

Is your dad's friends still about? You kind of have anything to do with him?

>> Tom: 37:53

Yeah, yeah, I interviewed him for the book.

>> Andy: 37:55

Oh, really?

>> Tom: 37:56

Wow. Yeah. So he's really pleased that it's back on the road and running and apologetic.

>> Andy: 38:01

His wife's still around as well. Ex W. Ex w. The plot thickens. She must have just lost it with him in the end. He must have brought another one home afterwards she didn't like.

>> Tom: 38:11

And, yeah, I would have done just be like, right, okay, have this instead, then.

>> Andy: 38:15

Yeah. It's quite funny, isn't it, that it wasn't your dad's dream car? It's just massively circumstantial that it was.

>> Tom: 38:20

Just a case of massively circumstantial. Not a dream car, necessarily. No. But it became this huge sentimental object and now it's got to the point where, like, it is my dad, weirdly, just, like, daft little things like the ashtrays in the back of the seats. In one of them, there's still a fag end that can belong to one of two people. It's either my dad's or my grandma'ye. Because they're the only two people who will have smoked in this car. So it's just little things like that. Just. I'm leaving that alone.

>> Andy: 38:45

Nice.

>> Tom: 38:46

Yeah. It's become like a shrine'probably too strong a word because there's definitely my stamp on the car now, but his presence is definitely there.

>> Andy: 38:53

We spoke to, Danny Hopkins, who's the editor of Practical Classicses, and he told us about his. I think it's his grand grandfather's Rover that he's restored. I think it's Rover or possibly Triumph, but, yeah, restored the whole car. But he's left the headlining and the headlining'still yellow stained above where the driver was brill. And it's kind of got that sort of smoky sort of swft to it. Was he a pipe smoker? Yeah. And everyone gets in it, like, really nice restoration. Daddy, what have you done there? And he's like, no, that's my childhood. Like, I can't change that.

>> Tom: 39:21

Yeah, that's a lovely story.

>> Andy: 39:24

and, yeah, that's kind of just one of many reasons and kind of talking to you as well is why we do this. It's sort of just uncovering those little stories and all these little things which almost like our blockchain in a way, which kind of goes together and then is the reason why we've kind of Got an interest in cars because all this sort of the last 20, 30, 40 years or whatever it is, is all these little nuggets have sort of joined together and then that's why. Yeah, you've got to buy one of these. It doesn't make any sense unless you know the full chain.

>> Tom: 39:53

Yeah, that's 100% IT history as much as it this cars and it's family ST stories and it's nice memories and it's nostalgia and maybe, Not necessarily nice memories, it's just memories. It's keeping people close.

>> Andy: 40:03

Yeah, fantastic. I think that's a great place to wrap it up. Unless you've got anything you're kind of burning and itching to tell us more about.

>> Tom: 40:10

No, I'm absolutely honoured that you had me on and it took an interest in my story and I love listening to you and just thank you for letting me be part of it.

>> Andy: 40:17

Thank you very much. Now it's, yeah, great to get you on and yeah, really nice story. It's cool when obviously your dad's not about, but the car's still about. That's sort of so pivotal to your guess, your life in a way. It's sort of been a, ah, constant. So, best of luck with the book. Thank you Obly. We'll give it a shout out for you and Yeah, hopefully we'll bump into you at some point at kind of a car. Show or Waterstones doing a signing or something.

>> Tom: 40:40

We'll see happens. Yeah, fingers crossed.

>> Andy: 40:43

Excellent. Wonderful. Have a great day, Tom.

>> Tom: 40:45

All right. Thank you very much and take care.

>> Andy: 40:47

Cheers. Bye.

>> Tom: 40:48

You too.

>> Andy: 40:48

Cheerste. Bye.

>> Tom: 40:49

Bye. Bye.

>> Andy: 40:50

There we go. That was, That was good, wasn't it? Yeah, it's nice. It was quite a deep. But, it felt like a good guest to kind of have that conversation with. He was quite open with sort of grief and stuff. Yeaheah. No, just a great backstory really, isn't it? It sort of ticks all the boxes when it comes to, ah, car nostalgia, I suppose, in terms of what we talk about. Yeah, very much. I guess for a lot of us and a lot of the guests we have on, it's a reminiscing, but it's also, a sort of. I wish I could have that car that was sort of in the. In the Pasteah. actually, yeah, maybe if you look at his father's back catalogue, given the opportunity, he might have gone with the TV or MGBGT or something like that, but actually he has got one of the cars from his father's back catalogue. Yeah. Yeah. I think if anyone's in this situation of just inheriting a car and that, I'ing in ro about whether to save it or keep it or. That's probably quite a good one to listen to, isn't it? That M might sway you because I certainly regret selling my dad's last car. Yeah, you've said. Yeah. But I mean, circumstances at the time dictate, don't they, really? It's tricky. Yeah. What would you have done with a massive Mercedes? Yeah. Age 20 something and not necessarily got anywhere to put it. But, yeah, the value of hindsight. You kind of look back and go, yeah, that would be lovely to waft around in now. I could have done weddings in it, couldn't I? Something like that. And, yeah, from kind of my dad's point of view, he had when he died, Yeah, Beauford wedding car, which went to his best friend John. Right. Which I think that car is still on the road. So, at some point it'd be cool to kind of catch up with him and do something with that vehicle. Yeah. Because that was a kit car dad built that from, basically. Yeah, a kit. I've got photos of that in his workshop, kind of. Or just in sort of grey gel coat, if you like fibreglass. He put all the engine in, did everything, built it all up. Wow. And his business was interior, so he upholstered it all in red leather and the door panels had like a sunburst sort of pattern. It'd sewn into it and everything. It really nicely done. He designed his own hood frame, so the hood tucked away a lot neater than the kit version you could buy. He put a lot of effort into that car. And then he had, an Auburn 1935, 36 Auburn, I think. six cylinder, not V8, which he'd bought with some inheritance actually, from my grandfather. and that was kind of a bit of a project. He'd watched one of these bangers and cash type programmes, especially when he was ill. he'd kind of sit and watch that sort of thing, like the auction type programmes and you've got a little bit of a hit. When he had some money come in, he was sort of contemplating sort of a Mercedes SL type thing. M yeah, this kind of Auburn came up and, yeah, he bought that, but that got sold, wasn't on the road, although he had had it on the road, but it wasn't on the road when he passed away. But that was. That's just ginormous. Like the size of a transit van. Pretty much those like old American gangster type cars. And the Beaufort's huge as well so I can't kind of be too upset that I've not got them because it's. Yeah. Where. Yeah, yeah. In 50 years time I might kind of look back and go, well that'd be nice to waft around flat cap and all the rest. Yeah. But yeah, what am I goingna do with that in a three bedtents house? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. In an ideal world if you could keep these old things and like you say, get dressed up, driving them around, take them to events and chat to people about it and stuff, it would be lovely, wouldn't it? Yeah, but storage is a big issue for most of us. It's probably best for everyone that I don't kind of ju jump into that at this moment in time. Yeah. So yeah, I know. I enjoyed having Tom on. Yeah, he's really good. I think he was really cool and I think that's going to be a really nice kind of episode to put out.

>> Tom: 44:16

Yeah.

>> Andy: 44:17

So yeah, big thanks to him. yeah, we'll put the description and the details of book below the podcast episode and yeah, hopefully you enjoyed that one as much as we did. Absolutely. Anything else from you, John? No, that was u. yeah, like you said, really nice episode and nice to have a. Although it went a bit dark, it is nice to sort of hear people talk about their memories from, you know, the late father, isn't it? It's probably not something you do that often. So it's I think, yeah, obviously all kind of been in that situation and if there's someone out there who's been kind of going through that, then maybe that's just a sort of a light perhaps that says yeah, it all get easier and yeah, at some point you will be able to talk about this and yeah, reflect on it with a positive spin. I mean time is certainly a healer, isn't it? Without doubt. I don't really get emotional about talking about it at all anymore. It's just it's such a long time ago. It's almost sort of two lifetimes away. It sort of feels to me now because I kind of have my single life period post passing and then obviously now it's like family lifetime. Yeah, yeah. It's just weird to think back. I mean like I said, the era that it happened, the world was it'a long time ago now. You know, nearly 20 years. So yeah, a lot has changed. Yeah. Crazy that. Yeah. Imagine if you could. Yah. Just zap him back to today. Yeah, yeah, we can do this. Now that, Yeah, you could. What? That car's electric. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't go smoking those cigarettes in there. Go in the pub looking for the cigarette machine. Yeah. Oh, you can't drive that car there. Oh, no, you have to pay. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, cool. We'll wrap this up. Absolutely. Yeah.

>> Tom: 45:54

Roll the credits. Thank you for listening to my lovead's cart. I hope you enjoyed the show.

>> Andy: 46:02

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